Mihail Marin on the Leningrad Dutch
We have a book underway that I feel like announcing: a Grandmaster Repertoire on the Leningrad Dutch by Mihail Marin. When will it be published? No idea. As always, that depends on how smoothly the analysis and writing goes. And how wide awake our editors are.
This book will be a complete repertoire for Black starting after 1.d4 f5. In fact, Mihail will also offer some brief thoughts on other first moves such as 1.Nf3 and 1.c4 from a Dutch player’s perspective.
It’s early days to be mentioning this book, but a few readers have commented on this blog about their desire for a Leningrad Dutch book, so it feels right to say: “We agree, and we are working on it.”
Categories: GM Repertoire, Publishing Schedule
Wow, that‘s absolutely great! I‘m pleased to hold a high-quality-book on this topic in my hand… It fits great, because I’m just analyzing this exciting system from the perspective of a correspondence chess player (looking for the absolute truth) and notice that the existing literature is at least, …hmmmm, superficial… Have fun and good luck ! 🙂
Great news!
I am just studying the Leningrad now with Pruijssers & Williams excellent work.
Will Marin cover 7…Qe8 or 7…c6?
This is thé book I’ve been waiting for!
Good job.
I think this book will be published at the end of 2019..will there a update once of his excellent c4 trilogy
I‘m sure it‘ll be 7…c6! And Marin can neutralize Avrukhs 2B-recommendations…
This is just great News! This is a must buy!
Really looking forward to this one.
I also think it will be 7.-c6. Finaly the dynamic Leningrad Dutch gets the treatment it deserves.
Thumbs up on this one.
A solid addition. Absolutely will be buying.
It will probably resurrect 7…Nc6.
I’m hoping for Qe8 but guess it will be c6 (even Kindermann moved to c6 after being a long time advocate for Qe8).
7…Cc6 is the most “loco” out of the three, and 7…c6 the solidest. I highly doubt it would be 7…Cc6, especially for grandmaster repertoire.
Great news, I am very much looking forward to this one! And Marin is one of my favourite authors on top of that
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Dear Quality Chess Team, I’m curious about the new Taimanov book… when do we get the chance to have a look into an excerpt?
Thank you!
This is great news!
Wow, great news !! I just can’t wait !
Absolutely great, and a perfect companion to the Pirc! I.m.o. 7…Qe8 is quite playable, and since a recent book by Karolyi already recommended 7…c6, I’m hoping for the former. But either way it’s certainly a must buy!
Give alpha zero some minutes and it will refute the dutch. During its learning phase, it never played the dutch consistently, so there must be something wrong with it.
Excellent news!
@gewgaw
Luckily most of my opponents don’t play on the level of Alpha Zero.
@gewgaw
So it’s just three opening books?
The Berlin & The Queen’s Gambit Declined for Black & The English for white? 😉
Stockfish actually won one of it’s games vs Alpha-Zero with… the Leningrad!
At the moment I am learning the Leningrad, entering my variations in Mac Chess Explorer as a good boy and checking the eval’s with SF 10 (with contempt 0).
SF 10 is quite optimistic (+ 0,6 FWIW) about white when it doesn’t look to deep, compared to the superficial eval’s it gives in Nimzo-Indian (around +0,2) lines. I don’t know what to make of it, but I thought it was interesting.
The Leningrad Dutch is not an opening to get equality but to overtake initiative quickly. Taking into the account logic of the game we assume White must make some mistakes to make it happen but isn’t chess the game of mistakes after all?
If you are not 2600 or close to that level (and I am sure most readers are not but they care as if they were) I believe it’s a perfectly fine opening and you shouldn’t think about engine’s evaluation such as +0.5. I’ve been suffering in this opening playing against strong GMs (but maybe I’d suffer in other openings too) but it serves me as a great weapon to score points against other players. Playing for a win as Black is what every ambitious player needs when playing open events.
Will you be playing Alpha0 in the near future?@gewgaw
Ah, so yet another opening not suitable for Correspondence. Sigh.
I am very sure that I have seen 2600+ GMs, even the 2700s play the Leningrad Dutch in the couple past years. And at least more than one.
@Alex Relyea In correspondence there is no point in playing tricky openings, uou just need to play for a draw with something solid unless you want to have some fun. Then maybe you can risk and learn something, it depends what you want but it’s not like the Leningrad is loosing. It just doesn’t have the same effect and I am saying this being a big fan of this opening.
@Leon Trotsky It has been played few times but there is no strong GM who plays it very often. The strongest player who had it as a first opening choice was late GM Vladimir Malaniuk. I learnt from him a lot.
Have you considered to include both 7…c6 and 7…Qe8? I would be even happier to see a discussion of 7…Nc6 8.d5 Ne5/Na5 as well. The last books I can remember including all this are the ones by Harding and by Hall & Cartier (both published 19xx).
I hope he will clearly show the line(s) that are problematic to black.
make’s the book usefull for both players.
is there more news about this book?
And will there be an update of the publishing schedule?
It seems that chessbook publishing company s publish less book then in the past.
With Thinkers Publishing as an excption
Yes. Not much happening anymore.
How is Marin’s book about the Dutch lenigrad going?
Any up-date on this book?
Thanks.
Could Quality Chess send a comment on their Internet web site telling us which day/month this book would be available? 2019? 2020? Dont know?
I’d like to order it ASAP.
Thks
Is the book expected to be published this year? Or next year? Please, don’t leave us hanging anymore!
Yes.
Do you mean “Yes. No.”? 😉
Oh that’s cold.
@Seth
Thank you – it’s moments like those that make the blog worthwhile.
@Andrew Greet
I realise answering questions of the ilk “when will xxxxx” be published is a bit tedious, but if things like this are what makes the blog worthwhile, things must be bad…
@Paul H
Unnecessary
@Paul H
It was a way of saying I enjoy occasional moments of humour, such as answering ‘Yes’ to what was clearly a non-yes/no question rather than churning out the stock answer – and it was good to see at least one other person was on the same wavelength.
@Paul H
Yes, the end is nigh!
@Thomas
Hi Thomas, I guess you are playing Marin`s Pirc repertoire…I believe you mentioned it somewhere in this blog. How long do you think does it take to pick up the lines and to build up the understanding for someone with 2100 FIDE ? I am a 1…e5 player but flipping through Marin`s book I was wondering about playing 1…d6. Thanks.
@Bulkington
Sorry, you’re wrong, I stopped playing the Pirc long ago. I was thinking about taking it up again with Marin’s book but decided against it.
Personally I just add at least 6 months to whatever estimated publication date is given. Not always does it work, but it helps often.
So for example if it says estimated release December 2019, I would estimate at earliest May 2020.
@Bulkington
You can play Marin’s Pirc, but unfortunately there are a lot of holes in his book. But I think it has nothing to do with the author (I hope so), rather than with this opening. You don’t have the equality like with 1…e5. I play 1…e5 myself and if you are looking to learn a new opening, I can recommend you the book about the Taimainov.
Nevertheless I will buy Marin’s book about the Leningrad and I hope there are not so many theoretical problems like in the Pirc book.
@Thomas
OK, thanks anyway.
@Andrew Greet
Marin from time to time move orders the Leningrad system by 1d4 d6 2Nf3 f5. Now I believe 3Nc3 is considered better for white. Maybe Marin can share a bit of wisdom in his book about this position, e.g. should black fianchetto or not… The position is a bit exotic but it would be cool to have this as an option to bypass some other nasty systems
@Andrew Greet
Scott Adams is reading this blog apparently:
https://dilbert.com/strip/2019-11-02
@Riesner
Thanks for your advice.
@Tobias
Excellent! I’d like to think the conversation from the cartoon continued:
“Do you mean yes to option 1?; yes to option 2?; or yes to option 3?”
“Yes.”
Some six months ago I played against Aagard on lichess (it seems the account was verified) and he said the book was almost done. But we all know that these things are hard to do with a high level of quality, like QC nad Marin always do. I bought Playing 1.e4 instead of wait more, and have to say that it was worth every penny.
Hope this comes soon too.
I don’t mind (well, a bit…) that there are still jokes about my former questions (!) on the publication date, but they where in fact two seperate questions which could each have had a distinct answer, yes or no. It’s not like my question was “Is the book expected to be published this year or next year?” Than I can understand the joke. Maybe because English is not my native language?
@TD
I suggest you ask again in around four weeks.
Since the announcement of Marin’s book on the Leningrad, two books on this opening have recently been published (Karolyi and Demuth). Maybe the market has been saturated? It’s not like the most popular opening of the world.
TD – Yes.
Ray – The timing isn’t ideal but we can’t control what other publishers are doing – we’ll just continue putting out the best books we can. Marin’s writing is so instructive; his books should always attract an audience.
What could be more attractive than an anthology of chessboxing games ?
Dear Andrew,
How is Marin’s Leningrad Dutch going ?
When will it be published ?
Thanks.
@Leaf
I can’t give a detailed answer as John has been the one dealing with Marin on this project, but I understand it’s all looking good. As always, we will give more details including publication date when we are ready.
My current ambitious repertoire is;
White: d4 (Avrukh, Schandorff), c4 (Marin)
Black: Sicilian (najdorf (Georgiev), classical (Kozul)), Caro-kann (Schandorff), KID (Kotronias), Grunfeld (Avrukh), Leningrad dutch (Malaniuk)
Have tried to avoid symmetrical positions and have a sound mixture of solid and sharper stuff.
I consider c4, caro-kann and Grunfeld (some may argue but I think Grunfeld is both sharp and solid). The rest are sharper stuff.
Have also tried to have openings of different character (open, closed, fianchetto, nonfianchetto, blacksquared, whitesquareed, sameside castling, opposite side castling).
What is your opinion? Is this sufficiently varied for both open tournaments and GM-tournaments and is it sifiecently varied to improve my chess?
I consider c4, caro-kann and Grunfeld (some may argue but I think Grunfeld is both sharp and solid) as solid options.
@Bebbe: not to start a war, but I think openings are a way to start a chess game but will not essentially determine the outcome of the game. Focussing on calculation, combinations and endgames will yield much more than memorizing opening lines will. Sure it is nice to get a decent position out of the opening, but that will not prevent that major miscalculation a few moves later.
If I look at all the stuff you want to know, I think its some 15 books of GM opening theory tomes. That is some heavy investment there.
@Indra Polak
I completly agree on what you say, so no war here. I will of course not memorize all the moves. This is for rainman. Actually my repertoire consists of 23 opening books. The important thing is to know what Mainline to play and to practice them. I play online blitz to practice openings, strategy, tactics and endgames. The point with studying openings are to learn typical patterns.
Take the Kotronias books on KID. These are packad with a lot of stuff. You should learn the typical attacking methods in the Mar del plata and not be to concerned with concrete moves. I often look up theory after blitz games and analyser a bit myself to learn something from the games. Playing blitz without reflecting afterwards is useless I think.
Openings are more important the stronger you get. I am around 2400 fide and want my openings to hold up Against 2600 fide and as white I want to put them under some pressure.
The Kotronias books on Kid are both opening books and middlegame books. I like them very much.
Ah well with 2400 Fide you probably know better what works for you then I do :).
@Indra Polak
I know what works to keep the level I have now. If I want to improve getting out of the comfort zone is probably the way to go. Thats why I try to widen my opening repertoire. The Caro-kann is a new experience. Rather different than the sicilian but still interesting. Caro and Grunfeld often leads to early endgames so using new openings leads to more endgames.
I like advice from both stronger and weaker players than myself. Never really had a coach.
Sometimes weaker players can have good training skills.
I remember the first time I defeated a titled opponent (FM I think) rated 23xx was a Caro Kann where I could just copy the moves I read in a book (the Bc4 line (Keres?) with Ne2 and f4-f5) he captured a pawn on h2 I played Qe1-h4 and some nice stuff on f6 and h6 and I won having spent a minimum amount of time (merely checking the lines I remembered). Never again this worked out that good. Had to wait a very long time at the bar until my team mates were also done with their games so we could go home again.
I am very sad to see that Marin’s Dutch books are postponed again…
Maybe he’s too busy writing for Modern Chess…
@TD
Were they postponed? My memory-perhaps wrong- was always Winter 2020 on the webpage.
@Paul H
No, was Autumn 2020 till a few days ago.
@TD
Thanks- I stand corrected 🙂